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An additional perspective that publishers (and the community) also needs to consider is that of newer players. I think Danny is right to point out that for those of us in the hobby, we have to make decisions about every game we buy about whether we have room on our shelf (and really, the time to play) both, as non-spinoff games also have similar arcs, mechanics, and themes that will overlap. However, newer players are always coming into the hobby, and they don't own any of these games - so for those players, they aren't deciding if they want to buy Wingspan and Wyrmspan, they're deciding if they want to buy either (or any other game). I think it's especially useful for people looking to introduce or further invite friends and family into board gaming to have more options to find one that better appeals to the target audience. I can offer insight specifically about the Wyrmspan design and development (I've commented on Danny's videos before, but I'm Connie Vogelmann's spouse). There is a lot posted already in FAQs, design diaries, and forums, but the short story is that Stonemaier receives a high volume of requests for Wingspan reskins, and Jamey Stegmaier doesn't feel like a strict reskin is an option the company wants to engage in. So he asked Connie to design Wyrmspan after her success in designing Apiary.

Great video. Thanks.

6:50 there is a bit of a dangerous simplification here, and a lot ot tears have been shed by people thinking Horizons is a family weight version of the game. There is nothing simplified with Horizons of Spirit Island compared to Spirit Island. It's the exact same game, without the possibility for higher difficulty play.

Love your review - so good for new gamers. I like that you don't talk as though everyone watching is an experienced gamer and give a dry analysis. Thanks also the other word game recommendations at the end of your video too - also helpful for those new to boardgames. Great job!

Recently picked up Lewis & Clark. Love it!

I was at a board game show. My friend comes running up to me saying, "They've merged your favorite game with your most hated game!" Scrabopoly. I would give it a try, but not looking forward to it.

Hi. In the intro, what's the game with meeples with weapons? Thank you.

Wyrmspan is far superior to Wingspan.

Great Video! I recently played Wingspan with 7 and actually loved it because of the turn order wheel that allows simultaneous play. Turns never feel overly long because each player has the same amount of time to think through their turns before their time is up which is great (except for when it comes to food)

One good reason to consider a reimplemented game is if the new version fixes problems with the original game. With respect to Wingspan/Wyrmspan, one problem I have with Wingspan is the way they implement player interaction. The pink-stripe cards are a clumsy mechanism for player interaction. Player interaction is good, so I think simply removing the pink-stripe cards from the game is not a solution. But the problem with those cards is the fact that the game is largely multi-player solitare as mentioned in the video-- but with the pink cards, each player has to carefully monitor what the other players are doing in order to determine if the condition of the card is triggered-- you can't expect other players to watch out for your special conditions. But we've found that it's too easy to forget that the condition is in effect, it requires paying additional detailed attention to what other players are doing, and often that does not happen-- it is certainly not automatic, and many times it gets overlooked. It requires an extra level of concentration that detracts from the enjoyment of the game IMHO. So I was looking forward to Wyrmspan as it was billed as "fixing problems in Wingspan". I'm not sure that it actually does that though, so I'm not planning to buy it just yet. Player interaction is good, but if you have to distract your concentration on your own play progress with concern with the details of other players actions, concern that is otherwise unnecessary and can be taxing, I'd say it's poorly implemented. Does Wyrmspan fix that problem? I don't know, and until and unless I do, I'll likely not be buying it.

If they improve the the previous game then yea, im all for it. duel games are also great like 7 wonders or Tokaido, the dice resources was the worst part of wingspan for me, happy to replace it

The retheme of Terra Mystica to Gaia Project gave me my favourite game so I can't complain.

Finally a reviewer share same opinion as me. Why do we need wyrms when the nesting box is empty?

These are good points. But I do feel like there is a line being blured between spin off and a reimplementation, and are some of these points not a problem if it's one or the other? I think it would be fair to say that a reimplementation is ment to use the same mechanics with at most minor diferences because it's not trying to be a differt game. While a spin off might want to change things a lot and maybe even keep only the theme because it is trying to be something different hence the spin-off

So Familar with game group. Then goes back on shelf waiting for a new game group.

Above and below . Near and far . These are both expentions and stand alone games. Also Great. Like they expand the Story and Mechanics are different. Not sure i could get rid of one if i had 2.

What do you think about Of the western kindoms. i only played 2 Palidins and Architects . Relly Enjoy them. Both Worker placement but really different mechanis of how they play. if you have played the other versions what was your favourite? Would you recomend any others?

You have some really good points. Reskining a game. I though about doing it for some existing ones. Just to get certin friends of family interested. Wing span is a good example . I was not the biggest fan of ""birds"" and when friends keep saying play it play it. I really like the mechanics have please heeps. But i all ways think like if this was Dinos or pokemon something else. Using same mechanic/engie . would it be better or hit the table More!. Still Wondering and can't do dragons family against it beleiving they evil.

G'day Danny! Great content as always! I would argue that no game is necessary. None. Our hobby (and we commonly forget this) is a hobby of luxury. I have always despised the phrase "cash grab" because publishers are businesses first and artists second. Every publisher WANTS to make a great game, but every publisher also NEEDS to make money to survive. Often, I feel I like a game. Rarely, I feel I love a game. Almost never do I hate a game. Most of the time, I do feel a few tweaks should have been made to a game, which is why I love spin off games. Despite what our game shelf and organizing a game night tell us, there are more people than games. If a spinoff of a game turns one more person into a gamer, I say bring in more spinoffs!

G'day friends I hope you are all well. This is a topic that has often appeared on my radar especially when I own the original game. Are Spinoff board games or even reimplemented versions of a board game necessary? Do both the original and new or spinoff game have a space on our already crowded board game shelves? Which would you prefer to play, the original or the spinoff versions? There is so much to discuss! Please share your stories and opinions below. I would love to hear them. This is a safe space to share and talk! Cheers Danny :)

I am colorblind and I can play Century. I can't play Sagrada and Concept.

Bitoku!!!! Make me an insert too. I can't close the lid as is.

Nice boardgame collection!

All I ever ask of an expansion is that it not feel tacked on or try to reinvent the wheel. Under The Moonlight failed in this. Base game Photosynthesis is smoother.

I love the idea of the video. However, I believe that the initial example, the Mario Bros one, wasn’t as related to the rest of the video but it can be the inception of other video 😃 You said that the rule of thee in Mario was explaining by example, teaching by practice increasing difficulty and finally testing through a very complex end. However, during the rest of the video was more like three paths where you have to find the right balance or specialise to success as in 7 Wonders Duel, the game which influenced how duel games later on were designed as the two you showed that are great. Nice selection of games, great shots, great monologue. You got another subscriber here! 😍

Could be me... if without cats and kids 😂

Nice, did not expect that :)

Defiantly underrated

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Just added Mayan Curse & Kelp to the wishlist,thanks!

Thanks for sharing this. Great suggestions. I’ll definitely check them out.

What’s the game shown at 4:15??

Have you played Onitama? I think you would love it!

I want to apply these rules, but my siblings don't. 😢

Haha. Pretty much any crowdfunding game

Thank you for sharing I like the idea... but the constant cut and switching camera angle make me dizzy... 😅

I've been loving the stuff on Etsy. Having a color blind friend I'm always on the lookout for these types of add ons that the should have incorporated from the start.

Blood Rage: 3 eras, 3 phases to each era (drafting, playing, ragnarok), 3 types of cards to draft (combat, upgrades, quests), 3 types of units (leaders, warriors, monsters), and 3 clan abilities to upgrade (rage, axes, horns).

I ordered my copy a few days ago and can't wait to get it 😀

I loved this so much! Informative not only for those interested in game design but also for the curious 😃 It was great to learn about multiple games from a specific mechanical perspective... Thank you for this! Hoping that there'll be more content like this from you 🤞 P.S. It's very satisfying to see the games in the way you show them, including the plants and aesthetics you have in the background.

This is a great video! Hope you make more of these type of videos!

What a different way to think about it 🤔 I will have to think about this when i play my games

G'day friends What are your thoughts of this idea of the rule of three in board gaming? Do you think it is over used or is it something that is necessary in board game design? What are some games that you have encountered that uses this rule of three really well? I would love to hear your thoughts, stories and experiences. This is a safe space to chat. Cheers Danny :)

You have missed how many goats will there be? 16!!

These are like basic rules of the game

interresting and check a lot of boxes i like in boardgames. Those relaxing weight games i tend to like more and more. The only big stuff that restreins me here is the solo mode which has no "challenges" to beat in order to have something more interesting than a simple "Beat your own score" Imho those "multiplayer solitary" types offfering a solo should have some sorts of challenge instead of a BYOS tableau. Games such as cascadia and calico offers those, and even if some of those challanges are not quite interesting nor based on luck it is still much better than a beat your own score. I might tried it out anyway, then selling it or offering it to some friends. Good idea to replace those orange cubes with nice little insects ! looks way better on the table !

Looking good

Funnest most chaotic board game collection video I’ve seen 😂